Tucker Carlson faced off against Cornel West on whether or not democratic socialism can actually work in America.
After giving a lengthy (and slanted) explanation of democratic socialism, Carlson began the interview by asking the prominent Democratic Socialist which countries have successfully implemented such an ideology, invoking Venezuela as an example.
West explained that democratic socialism is about “decency” and “fairness” for various groups like black, LGBT, women, and immigrants and how “the powerful” don’t abuse or exploit them in any way.
“Well, if that’s what democratic socialism is, then I’m basically on board,” Carlson reacted. “I do think that ordinary people, middle-class people ought to have dignity and I think that our current systems make it hard for them to have dignity… but the details matter.”
The Harvard professor then listed Albert Einstein, Helen Keller, and Martin Luther King Jr. as examples of Democratic Socialists, but Carlson pressed him on why such an ideology failed in Venezuela where they “don’t have toilet paper.” West responded by saying “external nations” often are to blame for the lack of success in what he called “self-determination.”
Carlson then moved on to a tweet made by the Democratic Socialists of America in NYC in which they called for the abolishment of prisons and borders.
After giving a brief shoutout to his “dear sister comrade” Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, he clarified to the Fox News host that they meant they want to abolish the “kinds of prisons we have at the present.” He also compared the Democratic Socialists of America to a “jazz orchestra” that has different voices and they all “don’t agree” on every policy.
“How do you think the descendants of American slaves benefit when you bring in 25 million illegal immigrants from the third world?” Carlson asked. “Does that elevate poor Americans? I don’t see any evidence that they get richer or happier when you bring in more poor people. You ignore their problems.”
“But if we were having this discussion 100 years ago when you had millions of people coming from Jew-hating Europe, Irish-hating Britain and Ireland- all of the folk who came into the making of slices of this nation,” West told Carlson. “Did it not allow for the kind of coming together for poor and working people would be able to straighten their backs up and speak with dignity and decency about issues that affect all of us? That’s the history of the nation with the exception of the African slaves and the precious indigenous people. The idea that somehow now that the immigrants are here… How hypocritical can you get? I’ve been here nine generations coming out of enslaved people and I can still embrace my Mexican brothers and sisters.”
Watch the clip above, via Fox News.