ABC News’ Jonathan Karl asked Kellyanne Conway asked her a tough question on This Week Sunday morning: who is the highest level African-American working in the White House.
Karl first asked Conway about Omarosa Manigault‘s claims that the president used racial epithets in the White House, and the Trump aide denied the allegations. She then read a statement from Trump last year denouncing racism after the deadly white supremacist rally in Charlottesville.
The ABC News anchor pointed out that Trump said “there were very fine people on both sides” of the Charlottesville rally, in which white supremacists clashed with protestors.
The two went back and forth, with Conway refusing to say who were the “very fine people” marching in the white supremacist rally.
“Omarosa was the most prominent, high level African-American serving in the West Wing on President Trump’s staff,” Karl said. “Who now is that person? Who is the most prominent, high level adviser to the president on the West Wing staff right now?”
“African-American?” Conway asked.
“Yes,” Karl said.
“I would say that — well first of all you’re totally not covering that fact that our Secretary of Housing and Urban Development and world-renowned neurosurgeon,” Conway said.
“I’m asking about the White House staff,” Karl interjected. “I’m asking about the people the president is with every day.”
“Who there is on the White House staff right now?” he pressed.
Conway mentioned Ja’Ron Smith, who the Washington Post‘s Josh Dawsey points out is a mid-level aide at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building.
“Does he have an office in the West Wing?” Karl asked.
“He has an office in the EOP, absolutely, the executive office of the president, yes,” Conway said.
“But not in the West Wing,” Karl noted. “What does that say to have not a single senior adviser in the West Wing who’s African-American?”
“I didn’t say that there wasn’t but hold on,” Conway said. “We have a number of different minorities.”
Watch above, via ABC News.